Nine Tails, Captured! - Naruto Shippuden Episode 165 Reaction

That pains speech omg

cant wait for the next eps! Waifu enters the battlefield!

poor Sage Toad. he was a great master to naruto during this arc.
such a good episode
best episode to hear your thoughts on this arc so far
awesome to hear your thoughts on Pain Goal

Pain isn't taking revenge he simply wants to collect the tail beast and will do anything to achieve his goal no matter who gets in the way. He just wants true peace. He knows that as long as humans have free will true peace can never be achieved, humans can never come to an understanding

It was revealed that nagato was pain couple episodes back, when Konan said are you going to use that jutsu nagato, it will shorten your life span

Pain's way of doing things is not right. But, that is exactly why he is a villain. If his way of doing things is right, then he won't be a villain. No point in stopping a guy who wants to achieve peace in the right way.

According to what he said, Pain lost his loved ones because of the Hidden Leaf, that's why he wants revenge. Naruto lost his loved ones because of Pain, that is why he wants to take revenge on Pain. They both wanted revenge.. That is why they're not so different.

You said that he didn't have to kill jiriah, but you are wrong. He was getting in the way of the akatsuki's goal and even if they explained their goals the nations would still go against them. it would be a clash of ideals and who to say which one is right or wrong.

"What happened to the orange hair kid?" I think its self explanatory suzy if you go back and watch this episode again. Lol and why we keep getting so much cut offs?

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You basically describing ever first world country, do you think China doesn't hate England for long acupation of there country or Iraq hate the USA after a war that didn't solve anything. They don't do anything because of fear of nuclear war. There many Mexicans that still hate that lost territory to the U.S. by the way I'm mexican.

It doesn't make sense to me on them being clones unless you think its easier to call them clones instead of calling them all by the name "Pain"? I am only saying this because Jiraiya said he recognized everyone of those Pain individuals from his travels and showed flashbacks to all those individuals he recognized...
Also if they were clones they would go poof like Naruto's shadow clones and Pain individuals do not go poof.

Same with nuclear weapons. Peace is achieved by fear

he isn't really doing it for revenge as well he was using that as an example to show naruto the hypocrisy in what he was saying. his entire goal is about peace through the super weapon. and there definitely is an argument for if he is both right and wrong cause at the very least he has some kind of answer and naruto isn't providing a better solution. but i think i can definitely agree with you in that it isn't the right decision. i would say he is just doing what the villages did for the clan wars back in day just on a bigger scale and that is periods of peace with even bigger death counts. their periods of peace would last longer but the devastation of the weapon would be far more intense.

but still,nagato was right about what he said.definetly his speech is the greatest speech in naruto shippuden "cycle of hatred"

You say Pain is only going for Revenge + Peace..
But he is doing all this because he knows how humans think.. If a person dies, their loved one will always filled with hatred to take revenge.. Like sasuke.. this led to more and more conflicts, and thus cycle of hatred continues..
He just want to break that cycle... He comes out with a plan that only Fear + Pain of Ultimate Tailed Beast weapon (Like Nuclear weapons) can make people stop fighting...

Also he is also a human as well, he is not saying he is any different thus he also wants to bring take revenge on leaf village but.. But initially, he only wants to capture Nine tails and not destroy village like this, but Tsunade words trigger his anger to do what he did to the village..
Nagato, like Naruto, has no answer of peace other than this method... If Naruto could convince pain this time about any other way, he might have stopped all this....

So question is, for you suzy, what would you do to bring all people to give up their hatred and stop all conflicts and wars..

We don't love pain either, its just his way of seeing life seems so realistic to real world now a days, that we can totally understand from where he has came from.. So we just admire Pain's philosophy, thus Pain arc has so much impact on everybody... Because it left you with many questions with answers revealing as story progresses but not directly but through actions ?

So just some words what Naruto series has taught me "Never grow so much hatred for anyone that much that you literally do not Listen to him/her or boycott them.. Just always, always try to understand one another without having any malicious intent in heart and words" ☺️☺️

Pain = Lame attempt at being philosophical. Strong but low IQ character with laughable ideals.